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Dan's Build Thread 6 Years, 9 Months ago Karma: 59
Alright guys as some of you know the cambelt went on my MR2 a few weeks back just as I was about to move her on (for shame ) but it did give me the push I needed to actually do a few things with my car.

I should be getting the money from Mr. Banker in a few days and have a budget of €5k max to build back the engine. I'll probably be doing the work myself as I have the shed to do it, I have a runabout and I have rebuilt an engine before. I've also mapped a car and strung it up to get the geometry correct. Mapping and wheel alignment aren't something I'll be doing myself. Well, maybe alignment but the mapping might be above my station just yet!

I've been searching the States for parts as they're miles cheaper over there even taking postage into account. So far the list of parts I've put together cover just the bottom end. I'm contemplating what I should do head wise as it's expensive!

Wiseco Forged Pistons €430
ARP Rod Bolts €60
ARP Main and Head Bolts €210 from MartyJ hopefully!
ARP Flywheel Bolts €75
ACL Rod, Main and Thrust Bearings €150
Fidanza Flywheel €275
RPS Clutch €330 from TBDev
HKS Cambelt €150
Power FC €530
Mapping €400
MAT Sensor kit €60
Oil Pump €90 from MartyJ again!
1.4mm Cosmetic Head Gasket €110

All of the above include shipping.

I know that I'll need fluids, etc and there's going to be other costs on top. I'm still not decided on a turbo kit apart from the fact it will be one of Tim's. They're €1800 though.

So far the cost is just over €4600. I'll be needing an engine lift and stand on top of that so that'll be €300 or so. Other tools that I might not have I'll budget €100 for.

I'll probably have a little more than the €5k budgeted but if anyone can think of anything that I've missed or anything that I can cut back on please feel free to add to the thread!
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#22492
Re: Rebuild options for 400hp engine 6 Years, 9 Months ago Karma: 94
I'm no expert but you may have to upgrade your fuel system. Do you have all the supporting mods? Exhaust, intercooler etc?
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#22493
Re:Rebuild options for 400hp engine 6 Years, 9 Months ago Karma: 133
I would add a new water pump to that list as well Dan, it would save you having to remove the timing belt later on.
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Re:Rebuild options for 400hp engine 6 Years, 9 Months ago Karma: 133
If your current flywheel is in good shape and you wanted to save cash then the Fidanza flywheel is not absolutely necessary. It just allows the revs to rise a little faster than the standard flywheel because it is lighter.
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Re:Rebuild options for 400hp engine 6 Years, 9 Months ago Karma: 59
Yea I had planned on the water pimp but couldn't find the part number so couldn't get a price. The flywheel should be fine actually. Think I'll probably just keep the standard ones. For fuelling I've got the Walbro in tank and I'll have to look into injectors and rail. Don't need silly fuelling. Just need 850s I think.
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Re:Rebuild options for 400hp engine 6 Years, 9 Months ago Karma: 59
Cheers Martin. I'll add that to the list. Looks like it could actually go ahead! Just need to wait for the loan to come through and I'll be good to go!
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Re:Rebuild options for 400hp engine 6 Years, 9 Months ago Karma: 313
Just buy Roy Ashe's engine and be done with it
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#22521
Re:Rebuild options for 400hp engine 6 Years, 9 Months ago Karma: 313
Now that I relook at the ad this is not such a bad idea. You would be sure it would take whatever power you can throw at it. Good for 600bhp

all for 2500sterling + shipping (you could maybe use shiply.com)

www.tbdevelopments.com/forum/topic12790.html

2.2 fully forged HKS crank
Eagle rods
HKS pistons (coated)
Fully worked rev3 block with custom liners
HKS head gasket
ACL bearings all over
ARP head/Stud/Big end and anywhere else I could fit them
Rev2 ported head
Custom cams
HKS pullys
HKS camblet
HKS springs
Baffeled sump
worked internals
Lots of custom work


Cost to build over 5K in parts alone!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just an idea but may get you on the road quicker.
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#22522
Re:Rebuild options for 400hp engine 6 Years, 9 Months ago Karma: 59
That could be the best option you know. It'll cost me most of my budget though and then I still need EMS, clutch, fuelling and turbo kit. Hmmm...
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Re:Rebuild options for 400hp engine 6 Years, 9 Months ago Karma: 313
I thought you had a turbo kit anyway? or did you sell that already?

What year is your car again? Roy's engine is a GenII head
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#22531
Re:Rebuild options for 400hp engine 6 Years, 9 Months ago Karma: 59
Jus been looking at another spec list for 400bhp on TBDev and think that it may be the better option. The list of parts is:

Cosmetic head gasket
SARD 800s
Aeromitive FPR (have already)
Walbro fuel pump (have already)
Forged pistons
Clevite bearings
ARP Headbolts
Helix clutch
Power FC

With that he should be running close to 400 once he upgrades turbo from GT2876 to GT3071 turbo. Might be the best route?
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Re:Rebuild options for 400hp engine 6 Years, 9 Months ago Karma: 59
Quandry wrote:
I thought you had a turbo kit anyway? or did you sell that already?

What year is your car again? Roy's engine is a GenII head


My car is a Gen 2. I have a GT2860RS turbo but not the kit to go with it. I think I might sell the GT28 on one of the Silvia owners clubs as they're very popular over there. Will probably go for one of Tims kits for ease of install and peace of mind.
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#22614
Re:Rebuild options for 400hp engine 6 Years, 9 Months ago Karma: 30
I would suggest this

cgi.ebay.co.uk/AEM-WATER-METHANOL-INJECT...;hash=item45f17854e3

I'm currently getting virgin (Almost 100% pure) meth for a very good price.

I buy in large quantities. I'm mixing it 10% with the petrol, and injecting it 70/30 by volume with water.

You'll save a packet with a borg warner turbo also.
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#22622
Re:Rebuild options for 400hp engine 6 Years, 9 Months ago Karma: 133
You are openning a new can of worms there. I have the AEM water injection (not yet installed) and am going to use it only with water. Yes you can mix other stuff for it to produce more power, but that is not what it was intentionally designed for. It's main function is to cool combustion temperatures to prevent engine knock.
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Re:Rebuild options for 400hp engine 6 Years, 9 Months ago Karma: 30
AEM themselves even call it water/meth injection, most people do add the meth as well to give the benefit of both.

You'll find if you use the large nozzle and just water you'll be spluttering and hesitating like mad.

I inject pre turbo and pre throttle body, that's also a controversial choice!

Good info here

www.aquamist.co.uk/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=1801

www.aquamist.co.uk/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=251

Look for any posts by 'rice racing' - that fella knows his stuff!
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Re:Rebuild options for 400hp engine 6 Years, 8 Months ago Karma: 59
Got some bad news today regarding the rebuild. Loan was declined. Absolutely gutted. I'll still be trying to do the rebuild but it's going to take ten times as long. I was turned down because I'm only working part time while at college full time. I can afford the repayments but they think I dont have enough money left each month to meet repayments. Oh well, I'll just have to ask for engine parts for Christmas. Anyone want to donate?!
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Sucky McSuck!

Sell your body/drugs/friends?
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Sorry to hear that dan. Don't give up on your rebuild, it will take longer but at least you won't be paying extra in interest.
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Yea I was turned down basically because the repayments were too high each week. I could easily cover them but the bank thought otherwise. I'm going to apply for a samller loan of around €3000 and see how that goes. Or even just enough to get the bottom end put together and get the car back on the road. I could save up for a turbo kit, clutch, ECU etc then.

Fiddlesticks! I was thinking about quitting my course at college and go back to full time work but I think if I get the computing degree it will do me better in the long run. Saying that though, the job I'm in at the minute is fairly secure all things considered and they run training courses in most of the subjects I'm doing anyway such as Java, SQL and such. Really don't know what to do!
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Re:Rebuild options for 400hp engine 6 Years, 8 Months ago Karma: 59
dan wrote:
Yea I was turned down basically because the repayments were too high each week. I could easily cover them but the bank thought otherwise. I'm going to apply for a samller loan of around €3000 and see how that goes. Or even just enough to get the bottom end put together and get the car back on the road. I could save up for a turbo kit, clutch, ECU etc then.

Fiddlesticks! I was thinking about quitting my course at college and go back to full time work but I think if I get the computing degree it will do me better in the long run. Saying that though, the job I'm in at the minute is fairly secure all things considered and they run training courses in most of the subjects I'm doing anyway such as Java, SQL and such. Really don't know what to do!


Don't quit college dude!

Like you said, better in the long run.
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Yea I know. I already have a degree though. A BSc (Hons) Motorsport Technology with Management

It's one of those degrees that are great at the time but pointless once you've finished it. I could get a job in the automotive sector but it would mean going to England, living on pennies for years and even when I get promoted I'll still be on pennies. At least if I get the computing degree I'll have a better chance at getting a well paid job and being able to afford all the toys I want!
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95% of degrees are the same mate, I did Physics with astrophysics as my first degree, and when I realised I couldn't face a life of living in cord trousers and jackets with leather elbow patches, I went on and did computing as well !
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mark239 wrote:
95% of degrees are the same mate, I did Physics with astrophysics as my first degree, ...

Cripes! no wonder you're never satisfied with the size of your turbo.... takes a lot of power to get in to space!
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Did you go back and do another degree or was it a certificate or diploma or something? I'm doing a degree and after I finish this year I still have another 2 to go! The only bright side is the job I have now let's me work part time during term and full time during holidays. There's also loads of internal job vacancies too so if I get my degree I'll already have my foot in the door.
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dan wrote:
Yea I was turned down basically because the repayments were too high each week. I could easily cover them but the bank thought otherwise. I'm going to apply for a samller loan of around €3000 and see how that goes. Or even just enough to get the bottom end put together and get the car back on the road. I could save up for a turbo kit, clutch, ECU etc then.

Fiddlesticks! I was thinking about quitting my course at college and go back to full time work but I think if I get the computing degree it will do me better in the long run. Saying that though, the job I'm in at the minute is fairly secure all things considered and they run training courses in most of the subjects I'm doing anyway such as Java, SQL and such. Really don't know what to do!



Recommend stay in college for now Dan and try for a lower amount that will just get you the long block back together. All the other stuff can come later as you said.
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Yea think I will. Better in the long run. I actually regret not doing a computing degree in the first place though. Would be done and working for 2 years now.
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dan wrote:
Did you go back and do another degree or was it a certificate or diploma or something? I'm doing a degree and after I finish this year I still have another 2 to go! The only bright side is the job I have now let's me work part time during term and full time during holidays. There's also loads of internal job vacancies too so if I get my degree I'll already have my foot in the door.

I went back and did a second degree, I was the eternal student!!
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Yea same here! First degree was 3 years and this one is 4 years. Started my first degree at 18 and won't be finished this degree until I'm 27! Was only working for a few years in between. It'll all be worth it in the end!
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Did you try your credit union? They are very helpful - 10 weeks saving on a regular basis and they will look at giving you a loan.
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