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True Equal Length Gen3 Turbo Manifold 6 Years, 5 Months ago Karma: 2
Check out the new EMSPowered true equal length Gen3 3SGTE top mount exhaust manifold. Marc finished up the layout this evening finally. The manifold is setup to fit small T3 flanged turbos (GT30/S200), all the way up to the big boys toys (GT40/S300/S400). Yes, you can keep your AC. Yes, it's a true equal length equal frequency manifold.

Here's some photos for now. I'll post more later this week. Enjoy!


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#22500
Re:True Equal Length Gen3 Turbo Manifold 6 Years, 5 Months ago Karma: 213
Very Nice !!

How much $$$ is it going to cost ?
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Very Nice !!

How much $$$ is it going to cost ?


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Nice looking piece!
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#22503
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That'd be nice to have your turbo sitting up there - showing off a nice polished housing
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#22518
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I'll have finished photos and pricing posted in a few days.
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Where's the wastegate port going to exit, and what size?
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#22526
Re:True Equal Length Gen3 Turbo Manifold 6 Years, 5 Months ago Karma: 2
WG will exit out of the side of the collector. This particular customer's setup will use one of our TIAL MVS v-band wastegates. We can do any size wastegate depending on the customer's needs (38mm, 44mm, 60mm).
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#22541
Re:True Equal Length Gen3 Turbo Manifold 6 Years, 5 Months ago Karma: 2
For those that were asking about clearance for the AC idler pulley and the engine hook. Yes, it clears with plenty of room:


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Some more updated pics...

Runners welded up:

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Runners tacked in place:

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Re:True Equal Length Gen3 Turbo Manifold 6 Years, 5 Months ago Karma: 2
A couple more photos for you guys:


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Nice pics. KC +1
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#22581
Re:True Equal Length Gen3 Turbo Manifold 6 Years, 5 Months ago Karma: 2
with the turbo mounted, still need to finish up the external wastegate port/piping and screamer pipe.


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#26563
Re:True Equal Length Gen3 Turbo Manifold 6 Years, 1 Month ago Karma: 2
Another kit that just shipped out.

Custom equal length equal radius exhaust manifold - Precision Billet 6262 ball bearing turbo - V-band 3" stainless steel downpipe - Tial MVR 44mm v-band wastegate - v-band screamer pipe


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#26564
Re:True Equal Length Gen3 Turbo Manifold 6 Years, 1 Month ago Karma: 2
Some questions and answers copied over from MR2OC that you guys may find useful as well:


Nice Work.

How does this compare to a Full-Race Manifold. And gains?

I've had this question several times. Several differences actually.

1) Most people that have been around 3SGTE's long enough know that the Gen2 exhaust manifolds tend to warp, and that the 9-bolt manifold flanges are superior in keeping the flange from warping at high operating temps. Full-Race's Gen2 3SGTE manifold uses a 6bolt flange. That's even worse than the early stock 7-bolt stock manifolds. We have proper 9-bolt flanges custom cut from 1/2" thick stainless steel that will hold up to the high exhaust gas temps far better.

Full race exhaust flange:

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EMSPowered exhaust flange:

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2) Full-Race 3SGTE manifold runners are NOT equal length. Full-Race 3SGTE manifold runners are NOT equal radius. I have called Full-Race and one of their reps confirmed this for me over the phone. His exact words "we don't make equal length runner manifolds. They might be close, but it doesn't matter really". Equal length and equal radius runners produce better exhaust flow, better spool, and more power with all other variables kept constant. EMSPowered manifolds have equal length runners, and each runner has the exact same number of degrees of bends. This is a huge advantage.

3) Full-Race only makes bottom mount manifolds for the 3SGTE and nothing else. Period. At EMSPowered we make each and every manifold one at a time for each customers exact application. This allows us to customize each kit to best fit the needs of each customer. Top-mount, bottom-mount, crazy long runners and a side-mounted turbo, 3" downpipes, 4" downpipes, single and dual wastegates, long runners, short runners, etc... Basically, with EMSPowered it's not just some "canned" one-size-fits-all manifold you're buying. It is custom made FOR YOU.

4) Because we custom make each manifold we are also able to do really cool things like move the turbo position or flange positions to accommodate other power and spool enhancing add-ons such as quick-spool valves. Try that with other manifolds, not going to happen.


I'm sure there's other things I'm missing, but that's a short list of the main differences between us and the rest of the competition.



And, some more eye-candy. A customer's Gen2 3SGTE top-mount kit that is being finished up this week. He's using a Comp turbo on this kit:


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#26565
Re:True Equal Length Gen3 Turbo Manifold 6 Years, 1 Month ago Karma: 2
Some more top mount kits getting finished up

Gen3 top mount with billet Precision 6262, and 44mm WG:


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Gen2 top mount manifold being finished up for a billet Precision 6262 and 44mm MVR Tial WG:


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#26567
Re:True Equal Length Gen3 Turbo Manifold 6 Years, 1 Month ago Karma: 213
Great work

Will you be doing a kit for the bw efr range ?
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#26569
Re:True Equal Length Gen3 Turbo Manifold 6 Years, 1 Month ago Karma: 2
Spidey wrote:
Great work

Will you be doing a kit for the bw efr range ?

Yes, we carry the EFR turbos and can do any sort of custom turbo kit for you with the Borg Warner EFR series turbos as well.
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baktasht wrote:
Spidey wrote:
Great work

Will you be doing a kit for the bw efr range ?

Yes, we carry the EFR turbos and can do any sort of custom turbo kit for you with the Borg Warner EFR series turbos as well.


So, with an internally gated EFR with integrated BOV and boost control, I can keep the stock manifold. So, what is needed to make an EFR into a "kit" for a Gen3 ?
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Spidey wrote:
baktasht wrote:
Spidey wrote:
Great work

Will you be doing a kit for the bw efr range ?

Yes, we carry the EFR turbos and can do any sort of custom turbo kit for you with the Borg Warner EFR series turbos as well.


So, with an internally gated EFR with integrated BOV and boost control, I can keep the stock manifold. So, what is needed to make an EFR into a "kit" for a Gen3 ?

The EFR turbos have much wider center cartridges than other turbos. With the OEM factory exhaust manifold + adapter most if not all of the EFR turbos will run into the transmission/starter. To use an EFR turbo on the 3SGTE it would require a custom manifold.

If you'd like to use an internally gated EFR turbo on the 3SGTE it'd require a custom exhaust manifold, a custom downpipe and oil/water lines. If you'd like to use an externally gated EFR turbo on the 3SGTE it'd also require an external wastegate and wastegate dumptube in addition to the manifold and downpipe.
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Re:True Equal Length Gen3 Turbo Manifold 6 Years, 1 Month ago Karma: 213
So, could you give a ballpark price on an internally gated EFR kit similar in power to the S252/3071 ?
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So, could you give a ballpark price on an internally gated EFR kit similar in power to the S252/3071 ?
For a full EMSPowered BW EFR kit including the following it would be $2950:
* Borg Warner 6258 or 6758 turbo
* EMSPowered custom equal length equal radius exhaust manifold (topmount or bottom mount)
* Full 3" downpipe
* Oil and water lines
* Fittings
* Gaskets and hardware
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